The Oakland Raiders End Zone

Jon · Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:19 am Post subject:

Thanks Joe...good read indeed!
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Jon · Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:19 am Post subject:

Jack Tatum's Memory Deserves a Break
By Terence Moore
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RaiderDan · Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:42 am Post subject:

Dick Pacileo · Joined: 12 Feb 2005 Posts: 517

Hi Guys:

Once again Chaz Schilens is hurt. He has been with us now in his third year and has been hurt each year. What a shame he does have a lot of talent.

Good to hear from you Dan !!

Turo · Site Admin Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 2186

Shame about Chaz. That guy can play when he's healthy.. just can't stay out of the tub.
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Joe M. · Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Posts: 1048

http://www.csnbayarea.com/pages/raidersvideo

^ lots of great video here

On the more recent stuff: Rolando is looking like a hell of a ball player, and Houston getting to line up next to Seymour... talk about a fantastic situation for a young DE coming into the league.

Turo · Site Admin Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 2186

Dick Pacileo · Joined: 12 Feb 2005 Posts: 517

Hi Guys:

Joe M. Thanks guy for the link ! I like what he is saying !!

Turo: I believe you are right ! I also believe we will come in second. I am hoping for 50% + wins this year. And yes I will shed a tear or two for the Denver team but not right now, maybe next year.

shheye · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 2500 Location: SoCal

I hope the timing of this isn't taken the wrong way, but I never thought of Jack Tatum as a great football player. Scary? Yes. But a great player? No. Every highlight reel shows him doing everything a safety is not supposed to do. I have yet to see him making a fundamentally correct tackle. Most of the time he extended his arms out towards the head of the receiver in front of him (which leads me to believe that his intent is to injure and not make a play).

I believe it was Joe that cited the play on Earl Campbell. Perfect example - had he wrapped up, Campbell never gets into the end zone. The Immaculate Reception is another example. The right football play would have been to let Fuqua catch the ball in front of him and then wrap up and make the tackle. Game over, and the Raiders are in the Super Bowl.

I know Tatum has caught a lot of flak for the Darryl Stingley incident, but in his defense I believe there was some pretext to that game that people often forget about, and I really don't believe that Tatum intended the result. I believe him when he said that he tried to make contact with Stingley after the game but was rebuffed. I don't hold this incident against him.

I realize it was a different era, but proper tackling has never changed. Again, I hope this isn't in poor taste given the timing. I hope Tatum rest in peace.
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Joe M. · Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Posts: 1048

I didn't cite the Earl Campbell hit myself. That may have been Turo and I'm helpfully too lazy to scroll back to check. At any rate, yeah, his big hits may not have been textbook and I never saw him play week in and week out but he gets a ton of respect from a lot of players who say he wasn't just a big hitter but an exceptional player.

And I don't think it's a verboten subject at all. I'd love to hear some thoughts on the guy. Meanwhile I'll go rummage around for some tape.

Turo: looks like Henderson has already worked his way into a starting role next to Seymour. We'll see how things shake out over the next few weeks, but I am hopeful that Big John sees a bit of a rebirth playing next to a talented tackle again.

Turo · Site Admin Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 2186

For sure. If nothing else... Richard is probably the scariest 3-technique guy we've had on the roster in forever if he can play next to a bonafide block-eating fat guy. Can you imagine this cat 1 on 1 against a guard on any given play? LOL.. poor guard.
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RaiderDan · Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:06 am Post subject:

Joe M. · Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Posts: 1048

Man, I really feel for a guy like Charlie Frye watching these latest interviews. He probably doesn't have the pure talent to ever be a #1 but he is still tremendously driven.

Kyle Boller seems like a good guy, too. The coaches have a tough choice ahead in who to keep, who to release.

Dick Pacileo · Joined: 12 Feb 2005 Posts: 517

Hi Guys:

Joe M. This is novel, in the past few years it was "Which of the worse do we keep just in case someone gets hurt" It is a good feeling to have to chuoose between decent football players. I cant wait till they start hitting for real.

Jon · Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 9:05 pm Post subject:

Sorry for the late reply here, our OL coach just quit literally days before camp opens and I'm gonna have to take that as well as calling the D, so I'm a little preoccupied.

That was me on the Earl Campbell hit. I hear everything you're saying Shheye, but I stand by that hit and others. His game was so intimidating that it more than made up for the technical deficiencies in my mind. If you gave me Tatum of Woodson, I'd take Woodson, but don't think that every receiver and quarterback in the league wasn't misconnecting over the middle on shear fear. And Bum was so impressed by that hit he traded for him, so that tells ya something.
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