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Joe M.
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| I'm really glad Al got over on Sean Payton, that lowly assistant at Dallas who HE DIDN'T OFFER THE JOB TO, NO, SERIOUSLY!!!!!! |
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cranberry
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Sean Peyton did a masterful job tonight. The Saints were Incredible all season long. So many come from behind comebacks this season. I thought they were the luckiest team ever, but beating Peyton Manning it was not just luck. Tonight proved what a difference having good coaching makes.
Congratulations to the Saints on becoming Superbowl Champions!
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shheye
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| Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| cranberry wrote: | How does Andre Reed make it to the HOF over Tim Brown?
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The HOF is odd. How many years did Art Monk have to wait?
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Congrats to the Saints. That onside kick was ballsy and probably won them the game. I didn't really care who won, and only wanted to see a great game, and I think we got that.
Now, just a couple of months until the draft.
Regarding Tim Brown... that's just ridiculous. One of the best WRs to EVER PLAY THE GAME gets snubbed?
What?
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cranberry
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:03 am Post subject: |
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| shheye wrote: | | cranberry wrote: | How does Andre Reed make it to the HOF over Tim Brown?
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The HOF is odd. How many years did Art Monk have to wait? |
Yes, Good point. Although if Timmy has to wait soon his numbers will be compared to those of Marvin Harrison, Terrel Owens and Randy Moss.
I did jump the gun a little, I was watching the live show and I was upset when Tim Brown did not make it to the final 10 modern era candidates and Reed did. Reed failed to make it to the final 5 which are the one who will actually be inducted.
The actual HOF'ers were Emmet Smith, Jerry Rice, Russ Grimm, Rickey Jackson and John Randall as the modern era. While Dick LeBeau and the Broncos’ Floyd Little were selected from the old timers. Impressive list but Tim Brown is no less impressive.
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shheye
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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| cranberry wrote: | | shheye wrote: | | cranberry wrote: | How does Andre Reed make it to the HOF over Tim Brown?
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The HOF is odd. How many years did Art Monk have to wait? |
Yes, Good point. Although if Timmy has to wait soon his numbers will be compared to those of Marvin Harrison, Terrel Owens and Randy Moss.
I did jump the gun a little, I was watching the live show and I was upset when Tim Brown did not make it to the final 10 modern era candidates and Reed did. Reed failed to make it to the final 5 which are the one who will actually be inducted.
The actual HOF'ers were Emmet Smith, Jerry Rice, Russ Grimm, Rickey Jackson and John Randall as the modern era. While Dick LeBeau and the Broncos’ Floyd Little were selected from the old timers. Impressive list but Tim Brown is no less impressive. |
The way players are voted into the HOF has always been a source of debate. There are some who will say that if you qualify for the HOF, then why don’t you just get voted in during your first year of eligibility as opposed to later on? Do you become more qualified the longer you wait?
On the other hand, I can why some would want to make the inductees on their first year of eligability an exclusive group. This is one way to further distinguish a player who was not only great, but influential and helped to shape the game the way it is played now.
Now before this year's HOF class came up, I would tell you that Tim Brown was a great player, and worthy of being inducted on his first year of being eligible, but if the standard for wide receiver entrance during their first year of eligibility is Jerry Rice, then I’m okay with Brown having to wait.
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Utah Man
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| cranberry wrote: | | How does Andre Reed make it to the HOF over Tim . |
I don't think Reed made it although he did make the cutdown from 15 to 10. |
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Billiam
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Good Super Bowl. Great QBing on both sides. Gutsy calls by Payton.
Now this:
The Oakland Raiders have hired longtime NFL defensive coordinator Clancy Pendergast as an assistant. The team did not say what Pendergast's role would be when announcing his hiring Monday. Pendergast was let go last month as defensive coordinator in Kansas City.
Pendergast had spent the previous five years as defensive coordinator in Arizona, helping the Cardinals make it to the Super Bowl a year ago. He had previously worked as an assistant with the Houston Oilers, Dallas and Cleveland.
Pendergast is the third assistant hired by the Raiders since the end of the season, joining offensive coordinator Hue Jackson and defensive line coach Mike Waufle. The team still has not announced whether Tom Cable will return as head coach. |
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Island
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| Billiam wrote: | | The team still has not announced whether Tom Cable will return as head coach. |
I getting more and more inclined to think that Al is just messig with the media - Cable's under contract for another year, so why spread any news if there is no news to spread? I mean, are the Saints stating today that Peyton is coming back as head coach?
Cable's here and I doubt that Al will be hiring another head coach right now - let's face it; there's nobody available right now anyway....
In Cable we trust - for another season at least.... |
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cranberry
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I don't think we need a press conference to announce that a Head who is under contract will still be the Head coach. That makes no sense. The only ones speculating wether Cable will be the Head Coach next season is the media and those who listen to the media. The news people ought to stick to reporting news and not rumors.
Or if you are reporting rumors try getting a credibal source.
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Joe M.
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Mangini and Del Rio's status were in question for about five minutes before both teams acknowledged that they'd be retaining their services. No, this is only a problem for the Raiders. These are just examples from THIS YEAR - how short our collective memories are.  |
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shheye
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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| cranberry wrote: | | I don't think we need a press conference to announce that a Head who is under contract will still be the Head coach. |
I think the difference is that when a coach is on the hot seat, it is customary for the team to make an announcement that his services are being retained. This was done for Wade Phillips, Eric Mangini, Raheem Morris, Jeff Fisher and Jack Del Rio.
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cranberry
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Being on the "Hot Seat" is subjective. This is merely media jargon. I am inclined to think as Island does that this is just Al Davis being Al Davis. The ones who reported that cable was on the hot seat were the Adam Shefter's of the world. They had no sources. I will give in the case of Wade Phillips and Raheem Morris the owners were asked that question and the owner stated something to the affect that the would have to think about their Coaches' futures.
That was not the case in Oakland. The question was never posed to Raider management if cable's future was in Jeopardy. I know Al Davis is secretive and it goes without I would love to have more access into the thinking behind the decision making coming out of Raider HQ. Oddly enough Davis could be happy with Cable and all of this was just middle finger to the media.
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cranberry
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Joe M. wrote: | | These are just examples from THIS YEAR - how short our collective memories are. |
You can take your little smart ass comment and stuff it
*** If this was not addressed to me then I apologize.
------------------------but if it was FUCK YOU
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shheye
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| cranberry wrote: | | Being on the "Hot Seat" is subjective. |
True, but looking at the following factors could we say that it certainly applies to Tom Cable:
(1) Continual losses
(2) Issue with Skip Hanson and then all of Cable's women coming out of the woodwork
(3) Al Davis' history of being impatient with his coaches
I think given all three, it was safe to say that Cable was on just as much of a Hot Seat as Wade Phillips was.
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